This podcast marks the final interview with Manus' co-founder and chief scientist, Ji Yichao, before its full acquisition by Meta. Ji Yichao recounted his experiences, from successfully monetizing personal projects via the APP Store in high school to becoming one of China's first-generation software entrepreneurs to venture overseas. He shared his journey from mobile browsers to Natural Language Processing (NLP), discussing the research and challenges in knowledge graphs, semantic search, and open information extraction technologies. The podcast delved into the profound impact of GPT-3 on the AI field and the critical balance between technology-driven and product-driven approaches in entrepreneurship. Notably, he elaborated on how the Manus team pivoted from an AI-native browser project to developing Matters, a cloud-based general AI Agent product, and secured cash flow and user insights through the Monica plugin. The interview also explored the distinctions between the AI industry and traditional mobile internet entrepreneurship, the competitive yet collaborative relationship between Large Language Models (LLMs) and application companies, team decision-making models, the future prospects of general Agents, the data flywheel effect, AI product internationalization strategies, and the paramount importance of mental and physical well-being in entrepreneurship. Ji Yichao emphasized that in the AI era, "what not to do" is often more crucial than "what to do," reflecting on the need for restraint and focusing on core product competitiveness. The ultimate goal is the widespread application of AI Agents in the real world, with high anticipation for the synchronized iteration of the Make Matters product and its underlying models in 2025.