This podcast explores the complexities and challenges of Large Language Model (LLM)-driven AI Agents from theoretical research to practical applications. The guest begins by clearly defining and categorizing Agents, including Coding Agents, Search Agents, Tool-Use Agents, and Computer Use Agents, and highlights their core capabilities of perception and action. The conversation compares the advantages and disadvantages of In-Context Learning and End-to-End Training, two mainstream technical approaches, highlighting that even with a powerful foundation model, translating research results into stable, high-quality Agent products remains a significant System Engineering task. The podcast focuses on analyzing the key aspects of Agent training, including large-scale data synthesis (Knowledge Rewrite, MCP Tool Generation, User Simulation) and Reinforcement Learning (RL) paradigms (reward design, task difficulty control, complex instruction following). Agent safety is also discussed, especially the irreversible impacts that may arise when interacting with the physical world, emphasizing the necessity of establishing safety mechanisms and human-machine collaboration. The program analyzes the core contributions of Kimi K2, ChatGPT Agent, Qwen3-Coder, highlighting Kimi K2's innovations in data generation pipelines and RL frameworks, and ChatGPT Agent's progress in browsing and search. Finally, the podcast explores the future potential of AI Agents in achieving self-improvement, becoming new data engines, and forming symbiotic networks with humans, emphasizing the core role of engineering capabilities in driving AI development.